The Good Conversation (Adult Carer's Assessments)

1. When and how to use this Procedure

When to use this procedure

This procedure should be used to support the following assessment conversations with adult carers:

1. The carers assessment (to assess or reassess the support needs of adult carer's of adults);
2. The child's carers assessment (to assess the likely needs for support that an adult carer will have when a child they care for becomes 18).

Unless specified all guidance applies equally to both assessments.

When a carer's assessment is being carried out

When using this procedure to carry out a carer's assessment the conversation must:

1. Determine the current Support needs of adult carers of adults; so that
2. Eligibility criteria can be applied to determine which needs are eligible to be met by the Local Authority.

The carer's assessment should make effective use of any existing assessments and plans available.

Where a child's carer's assessment has previously been carried out and the carer's assessment is being completed to confirm whether the needs that the carer has (from the time the cared for person becomes 18) are eligible for Support under the Care Act you must make sure that the carer's assessment makes effective use of the child's needs assessment to avoid duplication.

If the carers needs for Support have not changed since the time that the child's needs assessment was completed you should consider the need to carry out any further assessment at all, or to instead use the needs identified in the child's needs assessment to determine eligibility for adult Care and Support.

When a child's carer's assessment is being carried out

When you are using this procedure to carry out a child's carer's assessment the conversation must:

1. Determine the likely needs for Support of any adult carers of children who will soon become 18; and
2. Determine the support that the carer may need to transition to adult Care and Support.

The needs identified through the child's carer's assessment will support effective transition planning for the adult carer and can be used to inform any carers assessment and eligibility determination at the point that the cared for person becomes 18.

If the adult carer of a child under the age of 18 has current unmet needs you should refer to children's procedures to make appropriate arrangements to meet those needs.

2. A Strengths Based Approach

Wherever possible, every conversation with a carer should be from a strengths perspective. This means that before you talk about service solutions to the presenting issue you must support the carer to explore whether there is:

1. Anything within their own power that they can do to help themselves; or
2. Anything within the power of their family, friends or community that they can use to help themselves.

A strengths based approach is empowering for the carer and gives them more control over their situation and how best to resolve any issues in the best way for them. The end result may still be that the Local Authority intervenes with support, but this decision will have been reached knowing that it is the most proportionate response available.

Adopting a strengths based approach involves:

1. Taking a holistic view of the carers needs in the context of their wider support network;
2. Helping the carer to understand their strengths and capabilities within the context of their situation;
3. Helping the carer to understand and explore the support available to them in the community;
4. Helping the carer to understand and explore the support available to them through other networks or services (e.g. health);
5. Exploring some of the less intrusive/intensive ways the Local Authority may be able to help (such as through prevention services or signposting).

SCIE have produced clear and practical guidance around how to use a strengths based approach in practice. It can be accessed here. Note: SCIE requires a login to access resources, but any social care practitioner can create one quickly and easily.

3. A Whole Family Approach

What the Care Act says

Under the Care Act it is important that the carer's needs are considered within the context of their family network of support and not in isolation. This is what is meant by a whole family approach.

Taking a whole family approach enables the Local Authority to:

1. Understand the role that family members have in supporting the carer and the person with care and support needs; and
2. Identify and support other carers (both these things are duties under the Care Act).

Taking a whole family approach also builds the resilience of families and increases the likelihood that a non-service led self-sustainable method of supporting the carer will be identified.

When taking a whole family approach you should consider involving the following people in the assessment:

1. Adult's living in the same household as the carer;
2. Children living in the same household as the carer;
3. Adults living elsewhere but who form part of the carer's support network;
4. Children living elsewhere but who form part of the carer's support network.

Specifically you need to understand:

1. How other family members are supporting the carer and whether this is sustainable;
2. Whether other family members are providing care to the person with care and support needs (specifically whether the role that other adults or children in the family have constitutes a caring role under either the Care Act 2014 or the Children and Families Act 2014);
3. Where other family members are identified as having a caring role, whether they are being supported in this role and whether it is sustainable.

Where there is an appearance of need in any other family member you have identified as a carer you have a duty to offer an assessment.

Adult family members

Any conversations with adult family members must give regard to the duty to provide good information and advice about adult Care and Support. This could be in relation to the needs of the person that the carer is supporting, in relation to their own apparent needs or in relation to another adult that they support or are concerned about.

You must also consider whether any prevention service would be of benefit to any adult family member you speak to, either to support them as a carer or in their own right. Where they appear to have a need for a prevention service themselves you should support them to access this service.

Where you take action to support another adult in the carer's family via a whole family approach you should make sure that you make appropriate and proportionate recordings for the action you have taken or the information and advice you have provided.

Child family members

The Duty to safeguard children

Children are protected under different legislation to adults. Whilst you are not expected to understand children's legislation in your role you are expected to know your statutory responsibilities in relation to protecting children so that you can respond appropriately.

Things that you must consider in relation to all children living in the household:

1. Whether the child is taking part in any caring activities that may be inappropriate for their age, gender or that cause them physical difficulty or emotional distress;
2. Whether the adult with Care and Support needs presents with behaviours that place the child at risk of harm or abuse;
3. Whether the child is at risk of neglect because the adult with care and support needs has caring responsibilities towards them that they cannot adequately meet as a result of their own needs;
4. Whether the child is at risk of neglect because the carer has caring responsibilities towards them that they cannot adequately meet as a result of caring for an adult;
5. Whether the home environment or any caring role is having a negative impact on the child's well-being, education or development.

If you are concerned about the safety of a child, or that they are at risk of abuse and neglect you must take action to protect them.

For more information about Safeguarding Children visit the Croydon Safeguarding Children Board website by clicking here.

If you are concerned that a child is in imminent danger from abuse or neglect, or that a criminal act has taken place you should contact the police by dialling 999.

Responsibilities to young carers

The legal definition of a young carer under the Children and Families Act is;

“a person under 18 who provides or intends to provide care for another person (of any age, except where that care is provided for payment, pursuant to a contract or as voluntary work)”.

There is a duty to meet the needs of young carers under the Children and Families Act in the same way as there is a duty to meet the needs of adult carers under the Care Act. This means that if you become aware that a child or young person under the age of 18 is providing care you must take steps to ensure they are appropriately supported.

The first thing you should do is liaise with children's services to establish whether the child or young person is already being supported as a young carer.

If support is in place you should provide children's services with any new information you may have about the impact of the adult's needs upon the child, but you will not need to provide any further support to the child.

If the young carer is not already being supported by children's services you should discuss and agree with your line manager and children's services who is best placed to assess them.

Option 1

If the young carer is not approaching the age of transition any assessment and subsequent support they receive will be provided under the Children Act 1989. The practitioner carrying out a young carer's assessment under the Children Act must be suitably skilled, knowledgeable and competent to do so.

Option 2

If the young carer is approaching the age of transition (or is at a time of their life when it would be of significant benefit for transition to begin) a young carer's assessment under the Children and Families Act or Care Act may be more appropriate. This will involve the development of a transition plan that will support the young carer through the transition to adult Care and Support (when they become 18).

There is a legal duty to ensure that transition planning and the whole transition experience is positive for the young carer. To this end an element of joint work will likely be required to ensure the young carer receives the support they need both now and into adulthood.

Click here to access the procedures for carrying out a carer's assessment for a young carer going through transition.

4. Talking about Individual Wellbeing

Why you must talk about Wellbeing

Wellbeing is the single most important concept of the Care Act. The duty to promote individual wellbeing applies at all times; in every single process, conversation or decision that is made and you must be able to demonstrate that you have done so.

It is vital that you understand your duties in relation to promoting individual Wellbeing. Click here if you are unclear or require further information.

What you must establish about Wellbeing

In order to promote individual Wellbeing you must first understand what Wellbeing means to the carer. The Care Act sets out 9 domains of Wellbeing that you must consider. Click here to see the domains.

As part of any process to establish needs you must understand:

1. Which areas of Wellbeing are most important to the carer at that moment in time;
2. Which areas of Wellbeing are least important at that time;
3. Whether there are other areas of the carer's life important to them but not listed as a domain (the domains under the Act are not definitive as Wellbeing is personal);
4. Which areas of Wellbeing are causing the carer concern or worry;
5. What impact any concern or worry is having (or could have) across the Wellbeing domains (is there a destabilising effect?); and
6. How the carer thinks any Support needs interact and impact on Wellbeing.

It is important to remember that under the Care Act the Wellbeing domains are all as important as each other. Any hierarchy can only be determined or described by the carer whose Wellbeing it is.

Important rules when talking about Wellbeing

1. A sense of Wellbeing is extremely personal and will be different for every carer;
2. Never make assumptions about what is important and what is not important to a carer;
3. The carer is the expert in relation to their own Wellbeing;
4. If a carer tells you they have no worries in a particular area this does not mean the area is not important to them; and
5. Conversations about Wellbeing should be 'genuine' person centred conversations, not process led.

Preparing to talk about Wellbeing

Often the key to an effective conversation about Wellbeing is preparation and you should take whatever steps are available to ensure that the carer is as prepared as possible for the conversation:

1. Provide information that will support the carer to understand the concept of Wellbeing and why it is important;
2. Offer advice about the things that a carer may want to think about before having a conversation about Wellbeing;
3. Make sure that anybody who will be supporting the carer understands Wellbeing and is confident and appropriate to support the carer to prepare for and have the conversation; and
4. Consider whether any tools may be helpful to support the carer to think about Wellbeing.

Talking about Wellbeing

A conversation about Wellbeing can be a very difficult conversation for a carer to have. Not everyone will feel happy, confident or able to share with you how they are feeling about the different areas of their life. For many carers, this will be the first time they have been asked or given an opportunity to think about their own Wellbeing in this way, and they may also be doing so whilst adapting to significant change in their life or the life of the person they care for.

Any questions that are used to support a carer to think about Wellbeing must:

1. Be proportionate to the level of information required;
2. Be appropriate, taking into account the carer's specific needs around communication and their specific circumstances;
3. Be realistic in respect of the carers ability to be able to answer the question; and
4. Be asked in a manner that is accessible to the carer.

Powerful questions

A powerful question is a specific type of open question that:

1. Encourages a carer to reflect;
2. Is thought-provoking;
3. Supports an exploration of options; and
4. Helps the carer to gain a greater insight into their situation.

Powerful questions should be framed in a positive way to promote engagement of the carer and promote a strengths based approach.

Appreciative Enquiry

An appreciative enquiry is a conversation that is led by the carer and focuses on times of personal strength. It supports them to recognise that they do still have those strengths and abilities and to think about how they can apply them to their current situation.

The listener should invite the carer to:

1. Talk about a time or times when something has been working well in their life;
2. Explore what it was that worked well and supported them at that time;
3. Think about how that experience could support them now in making a plan for the future.

Some key questions to support an appreciative enquiry approach include:

1. Tell me about a time when things were going well for you?
2. What did you learn about your strengths at that time?
3. If you had a magic wand what would the future look like?
4. What is it that you value most in your life now?
5. What small changes would make the most difference?

The use of tools

A tool can be helpful to shape and focus a conversation about Wellbeing, making sure that you consider everything that needs to be considered from a statutory perspective. Tools are also useful because they:

1. Can be completed with the carer as part of any conversation you have with them; or
2. The carer can complete them in their own time as part of their preparation for the conversation.

Click here to access the range of tools that are available and practice guidance around the use of tools.

Exploring and Managing different views about Wellbeing

Because Wellbeing is extremely personal different people are likely to have different perspectives about the same domains. The carer themselves is more likely to have a subjective view about their Wellbeing which may be dominated by worries or concerns they have about their presenting situation (or the situation of the person they care for), whereas someone who is emotionally removed from may see things more objectively.

It is important that you recognise when a carer's views about their Wellbeing may not be holistic and take steps to try and support them to gain insight or broaden their thinking. One way of doing this is to seek the views of family members and others involved in their life (with the carer's consent only). This supports a whole family approach to assessment but can also lead to a shared understanding and solution from within informal networks of support.

Even with the involvement and perspective of others certain factors effecting Wellbeing may still be difficult for carers to recognise, acknowledge or explore. If it is your view that these things are having an impact on Wellbeing then you must raise them for the purposes of:

1. Supporting the carer to gain insight into their situation;
2. Developing the carer's resilience through talking about difficult situations and exploring options to find a solution;
3. Providing information and advice;
4. Preventing, reducing or delaying the need for Support.

You may also find the tool 'Six Tips to Help You Have Difficult Conversations' useful. This can be accessed from the tri.x Resources by clicking here.

You should also make effective use of supervision to explore and develop skills that will support you to have difficult and sensitive conversations with carers in a positive way.

Talking about Wellbeing in a Crisis

A carer's wellbeing is always affected by what is happening in their life at that time. It changes as their situation changes, and sometimes the changes in Wellbeing that take place can be quite dramatic. It is therefore important to understand a carer's Wellbeing in the context of their current situation, but to monitor and review Wellbeing as things change.

Promoting Wellbeing

When you have understood a carer's individual Wellbeing you have a duty to promote it. To do this you must understand:

1. The things that they want to achieve;
2. The things they want to change; and
3. The things that they want to stay the same.

These things are known as the carer's outcomes. In order to promote Wellbeing you should explore with the carer during the assessment the steps that they can take to achieve their outcomes, as the two things are intrinsically linked.

Click here to access an NHS Choices resource that summarises 5 simple steps to promoting individual Wellbeing. These steps can form the basis of an effective strengths based conversation with a carer.

If, following assessment the Local Authority meets any eligible needs that the carer has you will need to explore not only what steps the carer can take to achieve their outcomes, but also how the support/services provided can help them do so too.

Balancing the Wellbeing of others against the Wellbeing of the carer

You have a duty to promote a carer's individual Wellbeing but this is not a duty at the detriment of others. The Wellbeing of others must be taken into account and may determine the action that you then do or do not take to promote a carer's Wellbeing.

5. Talking about Needs

Why you must talk about needs

The Local Authority has a duty to meet the eligible needs of carers under the Care Act from the time that the person they care for is 18, and it cannot fulfil this duty unless it establishes whether the needs that a carer appears to have are eligible.

A carer's needs also often directly impact on their Wellbeing, which you have a duty to promote. Therefore understanding needs will also support you to fulfil the duty to promote Wellbeing.

The areas of need described in the Care Act

The Care Act sets out 8 areas of need that must be assessed whenever it appears that they exist;

• Carry out caring responsibilities for a child;
• Provide Care and Support to other adults;
• Maintain a habitable home environment in their own home;
• Manage and maintain nutrition;
• Develop/maintain family and other personal relationships;
• Engage in work, training, education or volunteering;
• Make use of community services;
• Engage in recreational activities.

Proportionate and Appropriate conversations about need

Unlike a conversation about individual Wellbeing there is not a requirement to talk about all of the areas of need described in the Care Act, regardless of whether they appear to be present or not. Instead the conversation about needs must be proportionate and appropriate to each carer's situation and you should be mindful to make the best use of available information from existing assessments and plans.

Preparing to talk about need

Often the key to an effective conversation about need is preparation and you should take whatever steps are available to ensure that the carer is as prepared as possible for the conversation:

1. Provide information that will support the carer to understand the areas of need described in the Care Act and why establishing needs is important;
2. Offer advice about the things that a carer may want to think about before having a conversation about needs (there is a specific requirement under the Care Act to establish carers needs in relation to work, training, education and recreation);
3. Make sure that anybody who will be supporting the carer understands needs and is confident and appropriate to support the carer to prepare for and have the conversation; and
4. Consider whether any tools may be helpful to support the carer to think about needs.

Talking about need

A conversation about needs can be a very difficult conversation for a carer to have. Not everyone will feel happy, confident or able to talk about their needs. Some carers may lack insight into their needs, particularly if they are still going through a period of adjustment to their caring role or the changing needs of the person they care for.

Any questions that are used to support a carer to think about needs must:

1. Be proportionate to the level of information required;
2. Be appropriate, taking into account the carer's specific needs around communication and their specific circumstances;
3. Be realistic in respect of the carers ability to be able to answer the question; and
4. Be asked in a manner that is accessible to the carer.

Powerful questions

A powerful question is a specific type of open question that:

1. Encourages a carer to reflect;
2. Is thought-provoking;
3. Supports an exploration of options; and
4. Helps the carer to gain a greater insight into their situation.

Powerful questions should be framed in a positive way to promote engagement of the carer and promote a strengths based approach.

Appreciative Enquiry

An appreciative enquiry is a conversation that is led by the carer and focuses on times of personal strength. It supports them to recognise that they do still have those strengths and abilities and to think about how they can apply them to their current situation.

The listener should invite the carer to:

1. Talk about a time or times when something has been working well in their life;
2. Explore what it was that worked well and supported them at that time;
3. Think about how that experience could support them now in making a plan for the future.

Some key questions to support an appreciative enquiry approach include:

1. Tell me about a time when things were going well for you?
2. What did you learn about your strengths at that time?
3. If you had a magic wand what would the future look like?
4. What is it that you value most in your life now?
5. What small changes would make the most difference?

The use of tools

A tool can be helpful to shape and focus a conversation about need, making sure that you consider everything that needs to be considered from a statutory perspective. Tools are also useful because they:

1. Can be completed with the carer as part of any conversation you have with them; or
2. The carer can complete them in their own time as part of their preparation for the conversation.

Click here to access the range of tools that are available and practice guidance around the use of tools.

Fluctuating need

To ensure an accurate assessment of need it is important that you identify whether the carer's needs for support fluctuate (change over time).

Fluctuating needs are needs that:

1. May not be apparent at the time of the assessment; but
2. Have been an issue in the past; and
3. Are likely to arise again in the future.

A simple question to ask a carer to establish whether their needs fluctuate is 'How do your needs change over time?'

Every carer with fluctuating needs will experience fluctuations differently. For example:

1. Some carer's needs fluctuate in line with the needs of the person they care for (becoming more intensive when the person's needs increase);
2. Some carers will have periods of stability that could last several weeks or months with no fluctuation (for example, fluctuations may occur when a person that supports a carer to sustain their role goes on holiday);
3. Some carer's fluctuations are related to their own physical or mental health condition (for example having arthritis that affects their ability to carry out the caring role when the weather is bad).

Because of the variance in fluctuation possible it is not appropriate to simply assess a carer as having 'fluctuating' needs. Neither should you make a judgement about need based solely on either a 'worse case' or a 'best case' scenario. Doing so would not provide a true representation of the carer's whole needs and it would be likely that any support the Local Authority did subsequently provide would be inappropriate or disproportionate (too much or not enough) to cover periods of fluctuation.

You need to be able to effectively demonstrate:

1. How often the carer experiences a fluctuation in needs;
2. The type of fluctuations that are experienced and the impact on other needs and Wellbeing;
3. What the potential causes or triggers are for fluctuations; and
4. What measures are effective in managing periods of fluctuation or reducing the risk that they will occur.

The kind of questions you could ask a carer to help understand their fluctuating needs includes:

1. How long has it been since you had a good/bad day?
2. What does a good/bad day look like?
3. What changes in support do you have on a bad day?
4. How often do your needs change on a bad day?
5. Which areas change the most on a bad day?

The length of extension to an assessment process to ensure that fluctuating needs are understood should be based on the individual needs and circumstances of the carer.

It may also be appropriate to pause an assessment to enable the carer to access support that may then prevent or reduce the number of fluctuations occurring (for example to allow a new medication to take effect or to allow time for the person they care for to access a health service).

Exploring and Managing different views about need

Different people involved with the carer are likely to have different views about need. For example, the carer them self is likely to have a subjective view about their needs, which may be dominated by worries or concerns they have about their presenting situation (for example the potential impact of a serious health diagnosis or the changing needs of the person they care for), whereas someone who is emotionally removed from the situation may see things more objectively.

It is important that you recognise when a carer's views about their needs may not be holistic and take steps to try and support them to gain insight or broaden their thinking. One way of doing this is to seek the views of family members and others involved in their life (with the carers consent only). This supports a whole family approach to assessment but can also lead to a shared understanding and solution from within informal networks of support.

Even with the involvement and perspective of others certain needs may still be difficult for carers to recognise, acknowledge or explore. If it is your view that these needs exist and are having an impact on the carer then you must raise them for the purposes of:

1. Supporting the carer to gain insight into their needs and situation;
2. Developing the carer's resilience through talking about difficult situations and exploring options to find a solution;
3. Providing information and advice;
4. Preventing, reducing or delaying the need for Support.

You should also make effective use of supervision to explore and develop skills that will support you to have difficult and sensitive conversations with carers in a positive way.

Talking about short term needs

Sometimes it is necessary to talk about needs that you know are likely to change at some point in the near future. For example:

1. When a carer or the person they provide care to is expected to make a full recovery from a health related condition;
2. When the person the carer provides care to has temporary needs only (e.g. needs that will be resolved through upcoming surgery or treatment); or
3. When a carer's needs are related to their circumstances and these circumstances are going to change (for example the person that they care for is going to move into residential care).

If those needs are eligible the duty to meet the needs applies, even if the need is only likely to be short term.

Where needs are likely to be changing over time it is important to make arrangements with the carer to monitor and review the needs over an appropriate timeframe that reflects the individual circumstances of the carer.

Talking about needs in a crisis

Sometimes it is necessary to establish needs during a period of crisis. For example:

1. When the carer is experiencing a breakdown in the caring role they provide;
2. When the informal support being provided to a carer breaks down or is suddenly no longer available; or
3. When the person being cared for has a sudden and drastic change in need and requires increased levels of care.

At times of crisis the presenting needs that a carer has may not be a true representation of their on-going needs support. As such it is important to make arrangements with the carer to monitor and review their needs and situation, re-assessing where there is evidence that long term needs are clear.

Talking about how to meet needs

Carer's assessment

At this point in the assessment process you will not yet have made a formal determination about eligibility, although you may have gathered enough information to give a good indication. As the formal determination has not yet been made you should restrict conversations about ways that needs could be met to:

1. Ways that the carer could meet their needs (either independently or with the support of their informal support networks or community);
2. Information and advice about prevention services that could delay, reduce of prevent needs; and
3. Broad information about appropriate types of support that is available from the Local Authority (if the carer appears to have eligible needs).

A more specific conversation about how the Local Authority could meet needs will take place as part of the Support Planning process after:

1. The formal eligibility determination is made; and
2. The carer has confirmed that they wish for the Local Authority to meet their needs.

Child's Carer's Assessment

The purpose of a child's carer's assessment is not to identify the needs for Support that a carer will have when the young person they care for becomes 18, only what needs are likely to exist at that time. Those likely needs will subsequently need to be confirmed through a proportionate carer's assessment and any eligibility established. It is only at this point in time that ways to meet needs must be explored and agreed.

However, the child's carer's assessment process is an excellent opportunity to provide good information and advice to the carer that can support them to think about what their future needs are likely to be and the various ways that may be available to meet them. You should therefore:

1. Talk through ways that the carer may be able to meet their own likely needs (either independently or through their own support and community networks);
2. Provide information and advice about prevention services that may be available that could delay, reduce or prevent likely needs for Support; and
3. Provide broad information about some of the ways that the Local Authority may be able to meet likely needs if they are found eligible at the time the cared for person becomes 18.

If the child's carer's assessment identifies that the carer has current unmet needs it is the responsibility of children's services to meet those needs until the cared for person is 18.

6. Talking about Outcomes (Assessment)

This section of the procedures should only be used when talking about outcomes as part of the process to establish needs. When talking about outcomes at any other time you should refer to the full procedure for outcomes. This can be found by clicking here.

During the assessment conversation about Wellbeing the carer should naturally identify:

1. Things they want to achieve;
2. Things they want to change; and
3. Things they want to stay the same.

These things are known as the carer's outcomes.

Specifically you must understand whether the carer has any outcomes in regards to work, education, training and recreation.

In order to promote Wellbeing you should explore with the carer during the assessment the steps that they can take to achieve their outcomes, as the two things are intrinsically linked.

If, following a carer's assessment the Local Authority meets any eligible needs that the carer has you will need to explore not only what steps the carer can take to achieve their outcomes, but also how the support/services provided can help them do so too.

7. Talking about Risk

Understanding what risk is

Risk is broadly defined as 'the probability that an event will occur with beneficial or harmful consequences'.

The aim of any conversation about risk is to maximise the benefits and reduce the likelihood of harm.

Why talking about risk is important

When you have a conversation about promoting Wellbeing, meeting needs or ways to achieve an outcome there will at some point be a need to talk about risk and doing so at an early stage can support the carer to:

1. Explore and understand the benefits of taking the risk;
2. Explore and understand the potential harmful consequences of taking the risk;
3. Think about the measures they can take to reduce the likelihood of a negative consequence; and
4. Make an informed decision about whether to take the risk.

The process of talking about risk can be very empowering for a carer and build resilience, confidence and independence.

Talking about risk

Examples of risk you may need to talk about when establishing a carer's need for support can include:

1. Risk associated with the carers own impairment or disability (e.g. falls when carrying out caring related tasks);
2. Risk of accidental injury (e.g. from manual handling and supporting the cared for person to mobilise);
3. Risks to the carer from the person they care for (e.g. from verbal or physical abuse or from behaviour relating to the use of drugs or alcohol);
4. Risks to the carer's emotional health as a result of the caring role;
5. Risks to the carers work or family life as a result of their caring role; and
6. Risks to the carer's own network of support (e.g. is it sustainable and how likely is it to break down).

Depending on the level of risk a formal risk assessment may need to be carried out in addition to any other assessment process. Click here to access the procedures for carrying out a risk assessment.

If the information gathered during the good conversation suggests that there is a fire risk you should seek the consent of the carer to make a referral to the London Fire Brigade for a free home fire safety visit and check. For further details visit www.london-fire.gov.uk/safety/the-home/.

8. Good Information and Advice and Prevention

The duty to provide good information and advice and to consider ways to prevent, reduce or delay needs for Support applies at all times.

It is vital that you understand your duties in relation to the above. Please use the links below to access further information as required.

Click here to read about the duty to prevent, reduce or delay needs.

Click here to read about the duty to provide good information and advice, including the duty to make sure that information and advice is accessible to the person receiving it.

Before any conversation to establish needs begins it is important that the carer and everyone else involved understands:

1. Your role and how you can be contacted;
2. The role of anyone else involved (for example an advocate);
3. Why the process is taking place;
4. What is going to happen during the process, including how long it may take;
5. What the possible outcomes of the process may be and the implications (for example for the carer's finances); and
6. What is going to happen next, including how long it is likely to be until further contact is made and any further processes that may then be carried out (for example Support planning or Transition planning).

During the process it is important that you:

1. Offer information and advice as appropriate, including signposting to other sources;
2. Discuss options to prevent, reduce or delay the need for Support; and
3. Give the carer and anyone else involved opportunities to ask questions or seek clarity.

Depending on the carer's situation and needs specialist information and advice that may be required could include:

1. Advice around the financial assessment process (regarding the cared for person);
2. Advice about becoming a Lasting Power of Attorney or Deputy;
3. Advice about becoming an Appointee;
4. Advice about making a complaint about the Local Authority;
5. Information about the transition process for any young person the carer's supports;
6. Information about the local market place for Care and Support or health services.

Click here to access the general information and advice procedures, including access to local and national information and advice resources (general and specialist).

9. Safeguarding and Deprivation of Liberty

Safeguarding

If, as part of any conversation you have with a carer or anyone else you become concerned that a vulnerable adult or a child is experiencing, or at risk of abuse or neglect you must respond appropriately by raising a concern.

Adults

Click here to access the safeguarding adults procedures. They explain how to recognise abuse or neglect and how to raise a concern.

Children

Urgent concerns relating to a child should be raised by calling 0208 255 2888. Outside office hours call 0208 726 6400 and ask to speak with the out of hours team.

Non-urgent referrals should be made using the Single Point of Contact Referral Form.

Note: When raising an urgent concern by telephone you must also complete the Single Point of Contact Referral Form.

Click here to access the online version of the Referral Form.

A downloadable version of the form is also available at the Croydon Council website.

If you wish to consult with a social worker before making a referral you can call 0208 726 6464 during office hours. However you should only do so if the case is not already allocated to a social worker and the child lives in the Croydon area.

For more information about Safeguarding Children visit the Croydon Safeguarding Children Board website by clicking here.

If you are concerned that an adult or child is in imminent danger from abuse or neglect, or that a criminal act has taken place you should contact the police by dialling 999.

Where the safeguarding concern relates to the carer whose needs are being established (for example if the cared for person is causing harm to the carer) a decision will need to be made about the need to pause the assessment process to allow a safeguarding enquiry to take place.

There are 3 possible options:

1. The carer's assessment process continues alongside any safeguarding process;
2. The carer's assessment is paused with no on-going intervention by the person carrying out the assessment whilst a safeguarding process takes place; or
3. The carer's assessment is paused but urgent interim support is arranged to ensure support needs are met whilst a safeguarding process takes place.

Any decision should involve the person carrying out the needs assessment, the person who will be carrying out any safeguarding process, and the carer.

Deprivation of Liberty

You must consider any appropriate action required to authorise deprivations of liberty whenever:

1. The person being cared for lacks capacity to make decisions about the Care and Support provided to them; and
2. You feel the level of restriction being imposed on the person is depriving them of their liberty.

Click here to access the Recognising and Responding to Deprivations of Liberty Procedure for further practice guidance.

10. Pausing the Conversation

Under the Care Act an assessment should be carried out in a timely way based upon the needs and circumstances of the carer. Furthermore, when the assessment is a child's carer's assessment it should only be carried out when there is a significant benefit in doing so. Significant benefit relates primarily to the timing of the assessment and whether the carer will be able to engage in the process and get the most out of it in terms of being able to plan and prepare for adulthood.

Sometimes it may be appropriate to pause the process part way through. For example:

1. Safeguarding concerns have been raised and a safeguarding process is to take place;
2. To allow a service aimed at delaying, preventing or reducing needs for Support to be provided (for example, to allow for a period of reablement to be provided to an adult with care and support needs);
3. To allow the carer time to recuperate following a period of ill health;
4. In response to a change in the carer's personal circumstances (for example a death or loss of work).

Any decision to pause the process should be made with regard to:

1. The carer's thoughts, wishes and feelings;
2. The likely impact on the carer's Wellbeing; and
3. The views of any other person involved or being consulted.

11. Making a Record of the Conversation

During the conversation

It is quite appropriate to take notes during a skilled conversation to ensure that you are able to satisfactorily recall and capture what has been discussed and agreed in a formal record. However, there are some general good practice rules to follow when doing so:

1. Think beforehand about the level of note-taking that may be required-ensure you have to right tools and that they are proportionate;
2. Explain to the carer and anyone else present that you will be taking some notes and why;
3. Reassure the carer and anyone else present that you will still be listening to them even when you are making notes;
4. Don't record everything that is said. This will prevent you from engaging in the conversation and cause distraction-you need to pick out what is relevant and important;
5. Make sure you record everything that the carer says is important to them, even if it does not appear to be relevant to you or others;
6. If the carer uses a certain phrase that is powerful or indicative to the context you should record this word for word;
7. Sometimes information is detailed or complex and taking notes could take a little longer than expected. If this is the case you should consider making a polite request for a brief pause to allow for notes to be made;
8. Sometimes people provide a lot of information without a pause-perhaps they are anxious or simply have a lot to say. Trying to keep up can lead to you over-recording (recording everything regardless of relevance); missing key points, failing to understand what is being said or appearing disengaged from the conversation. If this is the case you should consider politely requesting a pause to allow for clarity and notes to be made;
9. Refer to your notes to summarise what has been said during the conversation, reflect and seek clarity about what has been agreed and next steps;
10. Try to make notes in a legible way and take care to use appropriate language-the carer may request to see the notes or be provided with a copy;
11. Confidentiality must be maintained at all times. Make sure that the notes are kept securely and only available to people authorised to see them;
12. Always file or dispose of any notes securely when a formal record of the conversation has been made.

After the conversation

Click here to access the procedure for making a formal record of the conversation.